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[spot]

ok...i'm not talkin' trash about eric or what eric wanted for his show, but this is pathetic. i used to enjoy the wed. night wrestling show, but now, it's just a night out. first of all, let me start off by saying... lonestar and miss penelope suck. i used to be a huge fan of lonestar and miss penelope, but now they are showing their true colors. it seems lonestar will do anything to get attention. he is constantly in the main event and when he doesn't wrestle, he has to get out there on the mic and spit out some bs. sounds like they are on a huge power-trip. and let me say this --it's not working out in the show's favor. it's the same old stuff every week and none of it has to do with the week before. i would say the storylines are just plain bad, but there are no storylines. and all the hardcore is just plain disgusting...it's not wrestling. it doesn't take a d**n bit of intelligence to go out there and beat the nuts out of someone with light tubes. hell, i can cut myself with a razorblade and i'm not even a so-called "wrestler." has it not occurred to anyone that not even 1% of the tri-state area is coming to watch the show?! what does that say about coliseum wrestling? if everyone had eric's best interest in mind, then things would be a hell of a lot different. i think there are a lot of selfish boys in that coliseum trying to get themselves over at the expense of a good show and the truly good wrestlers. i think someone with intelligence and an open mind--not limited to the same old thing every week--needs to get in the driver seat and take ccw to the top before the seats are left empty and not one person is chanting "ccw."

[Delirious Devotee]

Spot has a point. It really doesn't seem like there are any storylines at CCW. We hear about AVI taking on Charlie's Army, but we never really see anything of it except the main event match that feels the same everytime. Even now, it seems like the whole Charlie's Army thing has died and Charlie is just a manager for the Bad Boys. At least it seems like they're going somewhere with the Buzz Dupp/Mike Woods feud, but I think I may have missed why this feud is happening. I mean they use to be a tag team, but hadn't tagged in a while. Also, it seems like whoever is booking doesn't give a crap about the lower card. There are all these local guys, but they're put into the same matches every week. Last week it was BSM and Death Psi taking on Kashmir Hunk and Tommy Danger. Smoke-A managed to make it up to have a Tag Team championship match with Mystic Juvenile (which was a squash match), but this week they replaced Death Psi with Smoke-A and put Death Psi in a Light-Heavyweight Title Match. Smoke-A and Mystic don't get a chance to get even after getting the crap kicked out of them by the Bad Boys. It just seems like the only thing that really matters is the main event. Up until recently, the World Championship wasn't even main event, but since the Charlie's Army/AVI thing seemed to end, they put the World Championship back in the main event, where it should be. One good thing that has been happening is that CCW has brought in a couple new faces. Of course, they still need to give some of the old faces a little bit of a better chance. I'm going to have to agree with spot and say that CCW needs an overhaul in the storyline department.

[wrestlinginsider]

OK enough,
I attend the shows every week and I learn a whole lot just by keeping my ears open. I listen to what the fans are saying to each other and also what the wrestlers are saying to each other. OK so I'm an eavesdropper! I also apply what I hear to what I am seeing on the shows every week and what I know from being a wrestling fan for most of my life. No disrespect is meant to Spot or Delirious Devotee, you guys are welcome to your opinion and welcome to express it, but let's look at the facts. First of all let's make some general assumptions. I know that the fans at the coliseum show up because they love wrestling and in particular wrestling at the coliseum. The wrestlers who work here do so for a variety of reasons:

• loyalty and respect to Eric Acker
  
• loyalty and respect for the booker
  
• respect for the tradition of the Coliseum
  
• respect for the Evansville fans
  

You notice that nowhere on this list did I say anything about money. That's because there is none at the Coliseum. Now I am not a material guy but let's face it,
wrestling is supposed to be a business. These guys are supposed to be professional wrestlers which means they are supposed to be getting paid. From listening to what others are saying this is what I have heard about the money situation at the Coliseum. Some of this is behind the scenes info that normally you don't share with the fans, but I am revealing it so that they understand what the problem is at the Coliseum and where to properly lay the blame.
First off, since Eric died there have been a small group of people who have been trying to run CCW. This group includes Eric's family, friends, the booker, and a few fans who are doing anything asked of them to help.The staff of CCW including ticket office, Security, Sound and lighting, referees, and the announcers Josh and Walt all work for free so that there is money to pay the wrestlers. Dan O'Mannly also works for free. That should leave money to pay the wrestlers decently. However, there is the matter of what the Coliseum takes out of the house money. All the figures I have heard say that the Coliseum rent is 300 to 400 dollars a week. Not an excessive amount, but the problem is that unlike other promotions I have seen the Coliseum also takes all the concession money leaving only the remainder of the door money to pay off the wrestlers. If you have been there every week as I have then you know attendance, with the exception of the Memorial Show and Stairway To Hell has been between 30 paying customers to 65 and averages about 40 to 45.
The show averages about 6 matches with a couple of tags so about 15 to 20 wrestlers a week. The local younger workers: Mystic, Death-Psi, Smoke-A, Big Sweaty Mike, Kashmir Hunk, Diddley Dudley, and now Tommy Danger and Poor Boy work for free even though some have been wrestling for two years or more. That leaves 12 to 15 guys that have to be paid every week.
Even if everyone bought ringside, which they don't, that would be 400 to 500 at the door. take out the Coliseum rent and that leaves 100 to 150 dollars to pay 12 to 15 wrestlers with every week. If you wonder why some of the bigger named guys like Tracy Smothers, Chris Michaels, Brandon Walker, Chase Stevens, Rex Sexton Mad Man Pondo, Necrobutcher or others aren't there or why some of the names you guys ask for don't come to Evansville, just do the math!
Some of these guys are driving from 100 to 200 miles away and with gas prices the way they are they end up being in the hole for working at the Coliseum. Sometimes there isn't enough money to go around and I've heard that the money comes out of Charlie Lowe's pockets. Charlie Lowe doesn't have Vince McMahon's pockets so you can see why people are starting to disappear.So the simple solution would be to get more people to the Coliseum so that there is more money to go around. In order to do that you have to promote the show. That is the promoter's job, a post formerly held by Eric and now by his father and brother. CCW itself has no money to promote after paying the wrestlers each week. I see Walt the announcer's name or Big Lee on other wrestling sites posting cards and results. CCW has its own website but so far it does nothing to build excitement about CCW. It is hardly ever updated and sometimes the card is rarely posted. It puts over a few like the Bad Boys, Tracy Smothers, or Chase Stevens but hardly mentions a lot of others. I also know for a fact when the announcer Walt was trying to help by putting together a street crew to distribute fliers he made himself and selling programs each week that the powers that be made comments that he was trying to take over CCW. Although it hurts CCW, I can't blame the guy for backing off when he was using his own time and money.
What you may ask, does this have to do with the points raised by Spot And DD. Simple:
How are you supposed to plan story-lines when you never know who is going to show up from week to week or if you are going to have enough money to pay them.
As far as Lonestar and Penelope sucking or being on a power trip, you couldn't be more wrong. He's not the Champ, Chuck Taylor is. As far as him talking on the Mic all the time, have you seen anybody that is wrestling there now cut a decent promo? Charlie Lowe? Brian Acker? So who do you suggest can put over what few story-lines there are? Lonestar does what he does because there is no one else to do it! When there were others like Tracy Smothers or Chris Michaels he was perfectly willing to let them do the talking.
The Return of hardcore was dictated by the Ackers, Brian in particular because he was "tired of seeing what his brother built run in the ground", a comment I myself heard him make.
As far as DD's comments, how many times have some of the younger guys been scheduled on a card and not shown up or just disappeared with no notice. If you want to be part of the wrestling business you have to be dependable and have dedication before someone can put you in an important spot. The younger guys could learn a lot from Chuck Taylor or Ricochet. I have never once seen them on any board complaining about how they are used or putting themselves over. They are both part of the story-lines every week at CCW. They just show up, do what is asked and bust their butts every week. They let the fans talk about how great they are.
Oh Well I'm tired of typing, but I just wanted to give you some things to think about.

[Delirious Devotee]

First off, thank you for not being a total prick with your response. I've seen other message boards where someone states their opinions and everyone else pretty much craps all over them. So thank you for being a level headed person.

wrestlinginsider said:

OK enough,
I attend the shows every week and I learn a whole lot just by keeping my ears open. I listen to what the fans are saying to each other and also what the wrestlers are saying to each other. OK so I'm an eavesdropper! I also apply what I hear to what I am seeing on the shows every week and what I know from being a wrestling fan for most of my life. No disrespect is meant to Spot or Delirious Devotee, you guys are welcome to your opinion and welcome to express it, but let's look at the facts. First of all let's make some general assumptions. I know that the fans at the coliseum show up because they love wrestling and in particular wrestling at the coliseum. The wrestlers who work here do so for a variety of reasons:

• loyalty and respect to Eric Acker
  
• loyalty and respect for the booker
  
• respect for the tradition of the Coliseum
  
• respect for the Evansville fans
  

You notice that nowhere on this list did I say anything about money. That's because there is none at the Coliseum. Now I am not a material guy but let's face it,
wrestling is supposed to be a business. These guys are supposed to be professional wrestlers which means they are supposed to be getting paid. From listening to what others are saying this is what I have heard about the money situation at the Coliseum. Some of this is behind the scenes info that normally you don't share with the fans, but I am revealing it so that they understand what the problem is at the Coliseum and where to properly lay the blame.
First off, since Eric died there have been a small group of people who have been trying to run CCW. This group includes Eric's family, friends, the booker, and a few fans who are doing anything asked of them to help.The staff of CCW including ticket office, Security, Sound and lighting, referees, and the announcers Josh and Walt all work for free so that there is money to pay the wrestlers. Dan O'Mannly also works for free. That should leave money to pay the wrestlers decently. However, there is the matter of what the Coliseum takes out of the house money. All the figures I have heard say that the Coliseum rent is 300 to 400 dollars a week. Not an excessive amount, but the problem is that unlike other promotions I have seen the Coliseum also takes all the concession money leaving only the remainder of the door money to pay off the wrestlers. If you have been there every week as I have then you know attendance, with the exception of the Memorial Show and Stairway To Hell has been between 30 paying customers to 65 and averages about 40 to 45.
The show averages about 6 matches with a couple of tags so about 15 to 20 wrestlers a week. The local younger workers: Mystic, Death-Psi, Smoke-A, Big Sweaty Mike, Kashmir Hunk, Diddley Dudley, and now Tommy Danger and Poor Boy work for free even though some have been wrestling for two years or more. That leaves 12 to 15 guys that have to be paid every week.
Even if everyone bought ringside, which they don't, that would be 400 to 500 at the door. take out the Coliseum rent and that leaves 100 to 150 dollars to pay 12 to 15 wrestlers with every week. If you wonder why some of the bigger named guys like Tracy Smothers, Chris Michaels, Brandon Walker, Chase Stevens, Rex Sexton Mad Man Pondo, Necrobutcher or others aren't there or why some of the names you guys ask for don't come to Evansville, just do the math!
Some of these guys are driving from 100 to 200 miles away and with gas prices the way they are they end up being in the hole for working at the Coliseum. Sometimes there isn't enough money to go around and I've heard that the money comes out of Charlie Lowe's pockets. Charlie Lowe doesn't have Vince McMahon's pockets so you can see why people are starting to disappear.So the simple solution would be to get more people to the Coliseum so that there is more money to go around. In order to do that you have to promote the show. That is the promoter's job, a post formerly held by Eric and now by his father and brother. CCW itself has no money to promote after paying the wrestlers each week. I see Walt the announcer's name or Big Lee on other wrestling sites posting cards and results. CCW has its own website but so far it does nothing to build excitement about CCW. It is hardly ever updated and sometimes the card is rarely posted. It puts over a few like the Bad Boys, Tracy Smothers, or Chase Stevens but hardly mentions a lot of others. I also know for a fact when the announcer Walt was trying to help by putting together a street crew to distribute fliers he made himself and selling programs each week that the powers that be made comments that he was trying to take over CCW. Although it hurts CCW, I can't blame the guy for backing off when he was using his own time and money.

This is all a very good point that is always a problem with all independent wrestling promotions. I know that IWA Mid-South has this problem a lot. I don't think I've ever known the Coliseum to be in good financially, and it's a hard business to be well off financially. I think if CCW started offering gimmicks to sell (shirts, tapes, DVD's, etc.) it could help out a lot.

What you may ask, does this have to do with the points raised by Spot And DD. Simple:
How are you supposed to plan story-lines when you never know who is going to show up from week to week or if you are going to have enough money to pay them.

You have a point, but there are the people who are there every week. Lonestar, Chuck, Ricochet, John, Baker, and all the young guys are there every week. There really isn't any storyline set up for any of them. Right now, it looks like Smoke-A and Kashmir are in a feud, but it feels like there is no push for it. What about when Ricochet turned on Chuck? Why hasn't Chuck got a chance for pay-back? It just seems like they try to set up story lines, but then forget about them and move on to something different.

As far as Lonestar and Penelope sucking or being on a power trip, you couldn't be more wrong. He's not the Champ, Chuck Taylor is. As far as him talking on the Mic all the time, have you seen anybody that is wrestling there now cut a decent promo? Charlie Lowe? Brian Acker? So who do you suggest can put over what few story-lines there are? Lonestar does what he does because there is no one else to do it! When there were others like Tracy Smothers or Chris Michaels he was perfectly willing to let them do the talking.

Not about my comment. I have no problem with Lonestar.

The Return of hardcore was dictated by the Ackers, Brian in particular because he was "tired of seeing what his brother built run in the ground", a comment I myself heard him make.

Now see, after going to tonight's show, I have a good point to make about hardcore. I've never really been a huge fan of hardcore, but I enjoyed Lonestar and Baker's hardcore match. Why is that? Because they didn't just sit there and beat the crap out of each other with weapons. There were some actual wrestling moves involved. Not to mention the whole Lonestar going from inside the ring through the table and Baker. See that was exciting. Much better than "Hey, let's hit each other with stuff for 10-15 minutes."

As far as DD's comments, how many times have some of the younger guys been scheduled on a card and not shown up or just disappeared with no notice. If you want to be part of the wrestling business you have to be dependable and have dedication before someone can put you in an important spot. The younger guys could learn a lot from Chuck Taylor or Ricochet. I have never once seen them on any board complaining about how they are used or putting themselves over. They are both part of the story-lines every week at CCW. They just show up, do what is asked and bust their butts every week. They let the fans talk about how great they are.
Oh Well I'm tired of typing, but I just wanted to give you some things to think about.

I've never really noticed any of the younger guys no-showing. I know that Mystic, Kashmir, and Smoke-A have been there every week since they came back (or never left in some cases). I think that Death-Psi may have no-showed once or twice, and BSM may have a couple times, but sometimes things come up. As for busting their butts, did you see the match they had tonight? The 6-man tag match was crazy. I know I saw most of the guys putting their bodies on the line. Tommy Danger ran head first into the guardrail, Mike took the Kashmir Destroyer from the top rope, Smoke-A did a Shooting Star Press to the floor, just for a few examples. I think out of everyone in that match, Kashmir didn't do that much, but that's good because it builds storyline. He didn't want to be in the ring with Smoke-A, and ended up hitting him with his own move, like Smoke-A did to him a few weeks ago. Now, compare that match to the one that Smoke-A and Mystic had with the Bad Boys last week. For that matter, compare that match to any match that any of those guys have with anyone other than someone who is in their group. I think that Chuck and Ricochet should be wrestling them. It would seem to be good for the young guys (to learn from the two with more expierence) and be good for Chuck and Ricochet (to be able to wrestle closer to their style).

Anyway, once again, thanks for not being a prick with your reply, it's greatly appreciated. I hope that someone at CCW is reading this and hopefully we'll get some better shows (like tonight's show). If CCW has better shows, then maybe they can get more butts in the seats and therefore have more money to pay the workers with.

[biglee]

deliriousfan said:

What about when Ricochet turned on Chuck? Why hasn't Chuck got a chance for pay-back? It just seems like they try to set up story lines, but then forget about them and move on to something different.

it's probably because they both are holding titles since that night, maybe when one of them loses thair title they'll catch up on the fued

I've never really noticed any of the younger guys no-showing. I know that Mystic, Kashmir, and Smoke-A have been there every week since they came back (or never left in some cases). I think that Death-Psi may have no-showed once or twice, and BSM may have a few times

there were a few other guys that broke into CCW with all the names you just mentioned, Jason the Inforcer, Kid Genicide, Shawn "The Ace" Williams, Timpus, and Jack O Spades

[Delirious Devotee]

there were a few other guys that broke into CCW with all the names you just mentioned, Jason the Inforcer, Kid Genicide, Shawn "The Ace" Williams, Timpus, and Jack O Spades

I think that The Enforcer isn't wrestling anymore. I'm not sure about Kid Genoicide. Shawn "Da Ace" Williams moved out of town (and personally I don't really care). I think that Tempest is trying to get work at CCW, but I'm not sure how that's working out. Jack O. Spades goes to school somewhere in Illinois, so he's not down here that often. Other than Williams, those guys were only at CCW for the Dark Matches weren't they?

[bigsweatymike]

I've never really noticed any of the younger guys no-showing. I know that Mystic, Kashmir, and Smoke-A have been there every week since they came back (or never left in some cases). I think that Death-Psi may have no-showed once or twice, and BSM may have a few times

I just want to clear up that my grandma had a heart attack and was in and out of the hospital while I took a few weeks off recently.

[Delirious Devotee]

bigsweatymike said:

I just want to clear up that my grandma had a heart attack and was in and out of the hospital while I took a few weeks off recently.

Which is fine. Wrestlers have lives outside of wrestling and we can't expect them to be at every show they're scheduled for because things come up. Now on the other hand, when they no-show a lot, like say JC Bailey who was suppose to make his return to CCW this past Wednesday, it's understandable.

[lilbrotha79]

Well first i want to say that everyone has the right to their opinion, and i have one too. I wouldn't start talking about stuff you obviously don't know didly about how much money the coliseum brings in because the rent and concessions together isn't enough to turn the lights on in the building let alone the WATER, HEAT,PAPER TOWELS, AND THE PAPER YOU WHIPE YOUR A$$ WITH . I am not being an a$$ whole but if you want the truth come to the office and we can show you the weekly deposits from ccw and then average how much the bills are then you can do THE MATH and then lets see who gets the anal gerbil tube with no lube. As far as me lil brotha or my father are cocerned we don't get $hit for all the troubles we have taken on. For instance i have been here every week since my brother died from 8:00 am to 2:00 am and don't make a dime and i give idea's and no one listen's to a d**n thing i have to say. So i would safely say that there are some hater's in the locker room who are trying to turn every one against each other so they can have it all to themselve's and i have a pretty good idea who the big mouth whom calls themselves an insider and is sucking certain peoples ballz and wanting to get anal probed in an ABSOLUTE VIOLENT manner is!

[lilbrotha79]

I am truly sorry you feel that the coliseum CCw is not hearing what the fans want . If you the insider knows so much then come to my office and tell me how to run a building for the last 20 years. Eric had a dream and many wrestlers share his dream who come here every week. Be a man and come and see me! Eric,s father. I"ll be here to night to speak with you!

[spot]

"wrestlinginsider"... you may think you know everything at the coliseum and hey, you may very well know it all, but i don't think you really care about the coliseum, the fans, or the wrestlers. if you did, you'd be doing things a lot different. i bet you are one of those people who present themselves to be caring and nice, but deep down, you're just being FAKE. you could care less if eric's dream lives on...you just want to use that to get what you want. it's funny how you can come on here and start spitting out numbers that aren't anyone's business. i myself am just a fan and personally, i don't think anyone needs to know ccw's financial situation. i also think you are trying to kiss lonestar's ass...he is on a power trip...he is on the mic too much ands believe me, it's not a decent promo...it just looks like he is trying to put himslef over...and it's a constant thing at every show. lonestar is always trying to be the center of attention. i'm not much into the hardcore, but what about AVI? Brian comes out there trying to put AVI out there...why can't someone help him out with this? i mean, this is his show now...he's trying to do this for eric and as i sit in my seat every week, i see/hear people walking all over him. the whole show revolves around lonestar. now, tim ernesto is coming out there to talk about how lonestar really isn't a good guy...he's still a bad guy. what kind of crap is that? who cares. and maybe, just maybe... if the wrestlers were treated better-- treated the way they should be treated, some of them would still be around. it's not all about money, i'm sure. i think maybe they just want to be treated with respect and dignity for what they go out there and do... whether it be every night, once a week, or once month even. i'm sure it doesn't matter what i say since i'm only a fan and invisible sitting out in the crowd, but at least i can be honest.

[bbjasoncain]

The only reason I am posting this message, is because I've heard my name mentioned as being one of the above people who started this whole thing. I just want to clear up a few things...I don't run my mouth and I do not hide behind made up names. This is "Bad Boy" Jason Cain...and I knew Eric for a long time, long before a lot of other people knew him. Me, Eric and Brown started CCW...I booked the matches when Brown just wanted to wrestle. I miss the hell out of both of them. We wouldn't have this new found bullnuts if they were still around. NO, I'm not using other people to put myself over. I show up to the coliseum on Wednesday nights and I wrestle my match, do my job and get people to hate me...that's the way I like it and the more I'm hated the more I know I did my job! As for the bullnuts going on, I wish to not be thrown in the middle of any of this. I also, have an opinion about things...but I choose to keep it to myself because, I know this business...It's just best to leave it alone. The guy who played a big part in my training in this business Tracy Smothers, nicknamed me "Heat"...but after John Collins I pick and choose my words and my actions, as he has made me not able to trust anyone in this business. I offered "Management" help to get a commercial made...I currently do other things "behind the scenes" that someone/people are trying to squash! I feel I have heat with the "Powers That Be"...not sure why...but I'm going to continue to show up and do what I do...and give the fans my best and I prefer to not be brought up in any further negative conversations! One thing I do agree with and I say proudly...Eric should not be forgotten and with everything that is done with "CCW", the thought of Eric should exist in each and every process.